(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[2]KM[0.50]TM[180]OT[5x17 byo-yomi]
PW[czark]PB[Minue622]WR[2k]BR[4k]DT[2011-12-16]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AB[pd][dp]C[Minue622 is between 6 & 7dan on KGS and his Go is particularly practical and precise (yes, that's 3 'P' words almost in a row!)


KiyoshiR13 [10k\]: spotty
KiyoshiR13 [10k\]: sems better now
mw [-\]: i never know when these lectures happen, but i am happy when i am online and doing nothing when one is given
mw [-\]: i hear you
mw [-\]: ahh, ty
vano1 [6k\]: hi
waynec [8k\]: Hi
vano1 [6k\]: never understand how oyu get home before me :)
Brenno [12k?\]: yes
Brenno [12k?\]: he returned recently around the new year.
]RE[B+Resign]
;W[dc]WL[176.927]
;B[qp]BL[169.468]
;W[oq]WL[165.706]
;B[lp]BL[165.997]
;W[oo]WL[162.201]LB[qm:B][pn:A]C[waynec [8k\]: A
vano1 [6k\]: A
]
;B[pn]BL[159.481]
;W[nn]WL[158.552]C[White is looking stick like, so there is a reason to deny the corner shape.
]
;B[pq]BL[156.841]
;W[or]WL[150.17]LB[qk:B][pl:A][po:F][np:D][gq:C][pr:E]TR[ro][so][rp][sp]C[mw [-\]: a
vano1 [6k\]: c
mw [-\]: a - to protect weakness
Brenno [12k?\]: A expands and puts pressure on the white group. But M4 seems weak.
]
(;B[pl]BL[31.33]LB[pm:B][qo:A]C[Black had the knights move weakness at A, and was not quite out (white surrounding with a B like move).
HighDanWB [1k\]: also this would create battle between black 1 weak group and white's 2
]
;W[ip]WL[144.384]LB[ln:B][np:A][gq:D][lr:C]C[vano1 [6k\]: b
vano1 [6k\]: in thatcase :)
]
;B[ln]BL[23.322]C[Step 1, get out. ]
;W[nl]WL[141.936]C[HighDanWB [1k\]: because thewy want to do something else  :)
]
;B[np]BL[13.621]C[now that black is out, he has time to peep.
HighDanWB [1k\]: they*
Brenno [12k?\]: A seems good to me too. B doesnt do much, since the white group has at least two options to take care of itself,  so B is not that severe.
]
;W[op]WL[139.623]LB[pj:C][ll:D][gq:A][mr:B]TR[qm][rm][sm][qn][rn][sn][ro][so][rp][sp]C[waynec [8k\]: so here, even though Black wants to fight, he shifts to a bit of a defensive mode
mw [-\]: isn't playing the obvious move sometimes going along with your opponent's intentions which is bad?
vano1 [6k\]: A
dfunkt [8k\]: A is my choice because it doesn't let j4 settle easily
spacellama [2k\]: getting surrounded in the lower right surely isn't pleasant.. i think c is ok
mw [-\]: hard to surround lower right, though. i like a.
]
(;B[gq]BL[7.168]LB[ln:A][nn:C][ip:B]C[The A group did not need defense (it was out, and white could not connect under).

Now black uses the A group by attacking a new weak white group.

We can also say that white B was weaker than white C, so we attack B.
mw [-\]: yes
KiyoshiR13 [10k\]: yep
Abe [3k\]: yes
]
;W[kq]WL[135.187]C[maui [1k?\]: g3 also a counter attack?
Abe [3k\]: haha
]
;B[lq]BL[4.988]
;W[kp]WL[132.505]
;B[ko]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[jo]WL[126.777]
;B[jn]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[in]WL[125.035]LB[im:A][jm:B][ho:C]C[mw [-\]: b
vano1 [6k\]: B
]
(;B[jm]BL[17]OB[4]LB[im:B][jm:A][ho:C]C[B is very aggressive, but black is not strong.
If black C, white turns at A in sente.
]
;W[im]WL[123.165]LB[il:A][jl:B][ho:C]C[vano1 [6k\]: B
spacellama [2k\]: now c is sente, at least
Abe [3k\]: b
Talus [12k\]: dont allow hane at the head of two stones?
]
;B[ho]BL[17]OB[4]LB[jl:A]C[white does not have A in sente.
]
(;W[io]WL[120.474]LB[il:B][jl:A]C[Talus [12k\]: ah true
RikD [?\]: A
go [-\]: A looks good
Abe [3k\]: no hane
mw [-\]: a stronger
go [-\]: B leaves a cut
]
;B[jl]BL[17]OB[4]LB[il:A]C[Black A is aggressive, but black is weak and cuttable.
]
;W[mo]WL[116.704]
;B[lo]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[il]WL[114.007]LB[ik:A][jk:B]C[Krazula [14k\]: now a, I think
waynec [8k\]: B - three in a row
mw [-\]: b
RikD [?\]: B
dbrid [?\]: B 3 is not enough
Abe [3k\]: I'd still do b
dedyz [1k?\]: B
maui [1k?\]: B cause it also hurts  O8 a bit
]
(;B[jk]BL[17]OB[4]LB[io:A][lo:B]TR[il][im][in]C[White's A group is out and thick, and black's B group was benind enemy lines.
mw [-\]: b, play strong because o10 is becoming real danger
]
;W[cn]WL[106.562]LB[cl:A][en:B][cp:C]C[Abe [3k\]: I like c
vano1 [6k\]: c
RikD [?\]: A
Abe [3k\]: lots of profit and white's not done
mw [-\]: b -- keep separated
mw [-\]: keep separated, if you die then you know it wasn't reasonable
]
;B[cp]BL[17]OB[4]LB[im:A][dp:B]C[Compared to the old B group, A is strong, so black must defend.
]
;W[em]WL[98.23]LB[cj:A][nj:D][ik:C][ir:B]C[vano1 [6k\]: d
RikD [?\]: not B :p
Abe [3k\]: I like c and d
mw [-\]: i like C first
maui [1k?\]: D
RikD [?\]: true
KiyoshiR13 [10k\]: d
]
(;B[nj]BL[17]OB[4]C[All black has been taken care of, so black can resume the attack.
]
;W[lk]WL[94.522]LB[ji:C][lj:B][ok:A]C[mw [-\]: b
Krazula [14k\]: B
Abe [3k\]: b seems consistent
]
;B[lj]BL[17]OB[4]C[why not surround? 
The game IS called 'Wei Chi' (surround with marbles) after all.
RikD [?\]: C
]
;W[ok]WL[92.52]LB[dc:C][pi:A][qj:B]C[vano1 [6k\]: B
godisaster [11k?\]: a
Abe [3k\]: I like a because it helps the weak group more
maui [1k?\]: A
waynec [8k\]: B - profit while chasing
spacellama [2k\]: b, i think a is trying to flat out kill - which seems unreasonable
Krazula [14k\]: B
KiyoshiR13 [10k\]: light
]
(;B[qj]BL[17]OB[4]LB[pi:A][pn:B]C[Black's B group does not like being surrounded, so A would be very aggressive.
HighDanWB [1k\]: before this move , is B group strong?
]
;W[pj]WL[90.221]LB[pi:A][qi:B]C[spacellama [2k\]: no hane
mw [-\]: a gives w forcing moves, so b
dedyz [1k?\]: B
RikD [?\]: B still profiting
]
;B[qi]BL[17]OB[4]LB[pi:A][qi:B]C[A is trying to kill, B is profiting from the attack.
]
;W[pi]WL[88.124]LB[ph:A][ji:B]C[RikD [?\]: A
]
;B[ph]BL[17]OB[4]LB[kj:A]C[white has no time to try a counter attack with A.
RikD [?\]: we are strong enough now
]
;W[kj]WL[82.118]LB[kk:A][mk:B]C[maui [1k?\]: B
pacovsky [3k\]: i'm not afraid anymore
RikD [?\]: B help the weakest stones
KiyoshiR13 [10k\]: b
maui [1k?\]: B is good shape, A is bad?
]
;B[mk]BL[17]OB[4]LB[kk:A][mk:B]C[A attacks. 
B defends while attacking.
ukiyo [8k\]: Is anyone else getting crackling noises on the right audio channel??
RikD [?\]: yes
ukiyo [8k\]: good :)
]
;W[ml]WL[78.302]
;B[kk]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[ll]WL[76.671]
;B[li]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[ji]WL[74.762]LB[ii:B][li:C][ik:A]C[mw [-\]: a is the move i wanted to play before, so a
blade90 [5k\]: b is tesuji
RikD [?\]: A, lean on one to attack other
HighDanWB [1k\]: A is very slow
doesn [9k\]: but would Black gain from the B attack?
doesn [9k\]: ah kk, ty
Abe [3k\]: mit makes the splitting stones stronger
]
;B[ik]BL[17]OB[4]LB[ii:A][li:B]C[A is asking white to put more stones around the B group (which is weak)
]
;W[oh]WL[59.765]LB[lg:B][gk:A][pk:C]C[Abe [3k\]: b, the group needs to escape now
RikD [?\]: yes
doesn [9k\]: B
RikD [?\]: i agree
mw [-\]: A
mw [-\]: but C is sente
Zdzieli [2k\]: I like B
Deimos [1k\]: how bout P11?
TestPlay09 [7k?\]: desn't c hurt b group?
pacovsky [3k\]: i have needs, too, shy
]
;B[pk]BL[17]OB[4]LB[qh:C][li:B][ik:A][qk:D]C[black wants to start defending the A & B groups, but black had a double weakness at D & C.
So, black fixes in sente before going away.
]
;W[oj]WL[56.275]LB[lg:B][gk:A]
;B[gk]BL[17]OB[4]LB[lj:B][jk:A]C[The A group was more important and more surroundable than the B group.
Also, this is sente.

]
;W[gm]WL[47.327]LB[jg:B][lg:C][hi:A]
;B[jg]BL[17]OB[4]C[Since white is also weak, black has the time for a "profit before running" move.
]
;W[ih]WL[44.779]LB[gk:A]TR[lg][mg][og][pg][jh][kh][lh][mh][ki]C[Black's A group is out for now.
Time to defend the B gap.
Let's mark all the ways of defending it and see which is best.
mw [-\]: i'd just jump[ out. i'd never think of this move
]
;B[pg]BL[17]OB[4]LB[jg:C][pg:A][li:B]C[With the strong home of A nearby, the B group should have no trouble getting out.
The C stone may be lost, but the  main goal will be achieved.
]
(;W[og]WL[37.525]C[RikD [?\]: and profit ^^
]
;B[lg]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[pf]WL[34.063]LB[of:B][qf:A]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: B
Abe [3k\]: a
]
;B[of]BL[17]OB[4]LB[lg:A]C[Black's A group is plenty strong, so there is no reason not to cut for more profit.
]
;W[qf]WL[32.267]
;B[rg]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[rf]WL[29.813]
(;B[qg]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[ni]WL[28.371]LB[oe:A][nf:B]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: I like A, more profit.
RikD [?\]: A
vano1 [6k\]: A
]
(;B[nf]BL[17]OB[4]LB[nf:B][lg:A][oh:C]C[B to help the A group, while hurting the C group.

RikD [?\]: q16 is a bit lonely
]
;W[gh]WL[17.31]LB[hi:C][ek:B][fl:A]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: Also indirectly helps Q16 because it aims at a table shape.
TestPlay09 [7k?\]: b
Abe [3k\]: a is sente and sets up a foundation to jump from
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I like A first to keep white a little more heavy and aim at a larger enclosure.
]
(;B[ek]BL[17]OB[4]LB[hh:D][hi:C][fl:A][fm:B]C[Black A forces a white move around B which hurts the bottom group. A big rule is "don't hurt yourself".

Black C forces a white move around D, which helps white. A big rule is "don't help him".
justdidit [1k?\]: now a seems right
TestPlay09 [7k?\]: maybe a firs so to play c second
justdidit [1k?\]: because pressure to attack
]
;W[ck]WL[12.79]LB[eh:C][cj:B][dj:A]C[TestPlay09 [7k?\]: c
BobWhoosta [1k\]: C if we're trying not to help him.
mw [-\]: i'd play a, i am a sissy
Abe [3k\]: C is the clearest area to run into
justdidit [1k?\]: true
]
(;B[cj]BL[17]OB[4]LB[eh:B][cj:C][dj:A]C[A is a slow, small step.
B is fast but quite thin.
C is fast and very helpful.

If white cuts, black has so many ways to get healthy.
TestPlay09 [7k?\]: (
justdidit [1k?\]: c looks dangerous for me :)
]
;W[dj]WL[10.889]
;B[dk]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[cl]WL[9.127]LB[fh:D][di:A][ei:B][ej:C]C[spacellama [3k\]: b was what i was thinking as well
maui [1k?\]: this is a high price to pay
]
(;B[fh]BL[17]OB[4]LB[di:A][ei:C][ej:B]C[A contact move (contact moves are good for settling).
A, B & C are still available, and better than before.
]
;W[di]WL[6.388]
;B[gi]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[hi]WL[3.718]
;B[fi]BL[17]OB[4]C[TestPlay09 [7k?\]: yeah, but ladder needed to be set up with c
]
;W[gg]WL[1.341]LB[ef:D][eg:B][fg:A][dh:C]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: C here.
vano1 [6k\]: c
spacellama [3k\]: c
doesn [9k\]: c
dedyz [1k?\]: C
Abe [3k\]: d seems cuttable
mw [-\]: d not cuttable here
TestPlay09 [7k?\]: agree with abe
]
;B[ef]BL[17]OB[4]LB[cj:A]C[The fastest way out.
A little reading shows that white cannot cut because of the A stone.
]
(;W[cg]WL[17]OW[5]LB[dd:C][ed:B][fe:A][cf:D]C[Abe [3k\]: is black really a 4k? :O
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I like B, leaning on the D17 stone.
Abe [3k\]: oh haha
thesirjay [11k\]: thank goodness
spacellama [2k\]: black is 6 or 7 dan, is he sandbagging as a 4k?
Abe [3k\]: okay thanks for clarifying
Zdzieli [2k\]: that explained a bit :)
spacellama [2k\]: oh definitely, i love games like these. funny that black actually TOOK two stones from the 2k :P
vano1 [6k\]: b
spacellama [2k\]: it's nice when they can win by playing simply, it's very illustrative. i agree
]
;B[dd]BL[17]OB[4]LB[fe:A]C[I would have chosen A here, but it makes white's decisions easy.
Black chooses another forcing & contact move.
TestPlay09 [7k?\]: hope w knew that he played against that much stronger player, otherwise i imagine he would feel preatty depresed o.o
]
;W[cc]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[ec]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[fe]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[ee]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[fd]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[ed]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[be]WL[17]OW[5]LB[eb:A][gb:C][fc:B][cd:D]TR[bd][bf][ch][cj]C[justdidit [1k?\]: C doeant help w
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black will make any white move look like a mistake.
]
(;B[cd]BL[17]OB[4]C[black uses a nice tesuji.
]
(;W[bd]WL[17]OW[5]C[Abe [3k\]: so b16 was a mistake?
]
;B[bc]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[bb]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[cb]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[db]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[eb]BL[17]OB[4]LB[eb:A]C[so, black gets all the way to A in sente, while white gets the corner that was already his.

Very nice tesuji.,
doesn [9k\]: what about something from the other side, around h17 , then B form a nice moyo on top?
]
;W[ca]WL[17]OW[5]C[Abe [3k\]: what would happen if the move order was reversed, and A was played first
Abe [3k\]: ?
doesn [9k\]: ah, ofc, sorry fogot about that
]
;B[dh]BL[17]OB[4]C[someone will get this move in sente (double sente), so black takes it.
]
;W[ch]WL[17]OW[5]LB[gb:B][gc:A][hc:C]
;B[hc]BL[17]OB[4]LB[ff:A]C[fastest and not weak. Especially with the cut at A.
mw [-\]: c
mw [-\]: oh
]
;W[hj]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[hk]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[gc]WL[17]OW[5]LB[gb:B][hb:A][hd:C]
;B[hd]BL[17]OB[4]LB[ff:A]C[That A cut.
]
;W[gb]WL[17]OW[5]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: Ah, wow.
]
;B[ff]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[gf]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[ge]BL[17]OB[4]LB[fd:A][gf:B]C[Clearly black will catch the A or B group.
]
;W[ie]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[jc]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[he]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[gd]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[jd]WL[17]OW[5]LB[hb:A][ib:D][ic:B][kc:C]C[vano1 [6k\]: c
BobWhoosta [1k\]: C
]
;B[kc]BL[17]OB[4]LB[fd:A]C[Black can take the A stones at any time, so no need to back off.
dedyz [1k?\]: C
]
;W[jf]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[kf]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[ig]WL[17]OW[5]LB[fc:A][qc:E][ir:B][mr:C][pr:D]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: B
dedyz [1k?\]: E
blade90 [5k\]: E
maui [1k?\]: D is huge
Abe [3k\]: e17 looks big but gote, b looks sente
mw [-\]: ty for the lecture, shygost
]
(;B[qc]BL[17]OB[4]LB[nf:B][ig:A]C[White's A move did not threaten anything, so black can play away.

Of all the places to play away, black's B group has issues. So black cleans things up here.
]
;W[mg]WL[17]OW[5]C[HighDanWB [1k\]: r 17 is definetly dan move
]
;B[mf]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[kd]WL[17]OW[5]LB[kd:A]
;B[pr]BL[17]OB[4]LB[kd:A][oo:B]C[White's A stone does not threaten any groups, so black can make sure the B group is dead.
Deimos [1k\]: how about L15 instead, to fix things up?
]
;W[mi]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[mj]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[mh]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[ki]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[lh]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[kh]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[ng]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[om]BL[17]OB[4]C[HighDanWB [1k\]: deimos corner would be still open
]
;W[mn]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[mr]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[jj]WL[17]OW[5]LB[nd:B][nm:A][ir:C]C[vano1 [6k\]: gotta go, thank you for the lecture
Abe [3k\]: what does o16 do that n16 doesn't?
]
(;B[nd]BL[17]OB[4]LB[nf:B][jj:A]C[White's A move makes the B group weak.
Abe [3k\]: I see
maui [1k?\]: center of 3
doesn [9k\]: yes!
justdidit [1k?\]: very nice commentary too, as the game
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I juggle.
doesn [9k\]: i can juggle 5 - just about
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah, 5 is my max.
doesn [9k\]: ah cool :)
spacellama [2k\]: would love to see some of those games
Abe [3k\]: thank you very much!
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Thanks shygost!
spacellama [2k\]: great lesson, thank you!
doesn [9k\]: thank!!
KiyoshiR13 [10k\]: Thanks
pacovsky [3k\]: thanks!
kashmir [?\]: thanks shy!
Zdzieli [2k\]: thank you
cyxxo [13k\]: Thanks.
blackrain [4k\]: thank you shy 
waynec [8k\]: Thank you
doesn [9k\]: thanks**
seleven [1k\]: thanks
GoPlayerV [5k?\]: thanks shy
dedyz [1k?\]: thank's
thesirjay [11k\]: Thanks great lecture
Talus [12k\]: Thanks
Deimos [1k\]: thx cya
HighDanWB [1k\]: thank you
godisaster [11k?\]: yes thank you
bleep [8k\]: thanks Shy
spacellama [2k\]: superbowl eve
maui [1k?\]: thanks Lance!
janru [10k\]: thank you
]
;W[lc]WL[17]OW[5]LB[hb:C][lb:B][fc:A]
;B[hb]BL[17]OB[4]LB[ic:A]C[The weaknesses of A were starting to show themselves, so black takes care of business.
]
;W[le]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[lf]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[nb]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[md]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[ld]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[lb]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[mb]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[kb]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[mc]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[bo]BL[17]OB[4]C[Endgame now. End of comments.
]
;W[rd]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[rc]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[pb]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[qb]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[oc]WL[17]OW[5]
;B[od]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[me]WL[17]OW[4]
;B[qd]BL[17]OB[4]
;W[re]WL[17]OW[4]
;B[sd]BL[17]OB[4])
(;B[md]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: It's just better shape.
]
;W[le]
;B[lf]
;W[me]
;B[nd]))
(;B[pr]
;W[le]
;B[mf]
;W[nd]
;B[oe]
;W[mi]
;B[mj]
;W[kh]
;B[lh]
;W[rc]))
(;W[bc]
;B[bd]))
(;B[eb]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: Now if white lives black will get the whole topside.
]
;W[gc]
;B[cd]
(;W[bc])
(;W[bd]
;B[bc]
;W[bb]
;B[cb]
;W[ac]
;B[db]
;W[gb]
;B[bc]
;W[cc])))
(;W[fg]
;B[eg]
;W[eh]
;B[dh]
;W[ei]
;B[ci]C[maui [1k?\]: D enters the area B wants to get to
]))
(;B[ej]
;W[di])
(;B[di]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: B
TestPlay09 [7k?\]: ah, still geting use to such ideas -_-
]
;W[fj]C[Abe [3k\]: E11 looks like a nice shape to me
]
;B[fk]
;W[ej])
(;B[ei]
;W[ej]
;B[fj]))
(;B[dj]
;W[dh]
;B[cj])
(;B[eh]))
(;B[fl]
(;W[]C[TestPlay09 [7k?\]: or that
]
;B[dk])
(;W[fm]
;B[]
;W[eq]))
(;B[hi]
;W[hh]))
(;B[oe]
;W[mf]))
(;B[]
;W[qh]
;B[qg]
;W[rh]))
(;W[kh]
;B[lh]
;W[lg]
;B[mg]
;W[kg]
;B[nf]
;AE[pg]
;W[pg]
;B[qh]
;W[of]C[mw [-\]: i'd never find q13 either. :`-(
]))
(;B[ce]C[spacellama [2k\]: which group is the b group?
])
(;B[pi]
;W[pk]
;B[qk]
;W[qj]
;B[ql]
;W[pj]
;B[oi]
;W[qr]))
(;B[mc]))
(;B[ik]
;W[jk]))
(;W[jl]
;B[io]
;W[jp]))
(;B[ho]
;W[jm]))
(;B[nj])
(;B[de])
(;B[fq]))
(;B[qk]))
